2012- The Science Behind A New World Age: Gregg Braden Interview

Hello. This is a VERY excited post for me. Today is my birthday and I wanted to share something special with you. I spent literally hours and hours transcribing this interview between Jennifer McLean and Gregg Braden on a phone interview on Healing With The Masters.

The interview can still be purchased along with the transcripts here: http://www.healingwiththemasters.com/buy.htm

I decided to give you the most important parts of the interview so I have taken out much of the dialogue in the beginning and left the meat of the subject. Its still really lengthy, but if you are interested in 2012 I'm sure you will be glad that it is as long as it is. It is FULL of scientific information to wet you appetite. Hope you enjoy!

Introduction to Gregg Braden:

NY Times best seller, Gregg Braden, is internationally renowned as a pioneer in bridging science and spirituality.

Following a very successful career as a computer geologist for Phillips Petroleum during the 1970’s energy crisis. He became a senior computer systems designer for Martin Marietta Defense systems during the last year of the cold war. In 1991 he was appointed the first technical operations manager for Cisco Systems where he led the development of the global support team that assures the reliability of today’s internet.

For more than 20 years Gregg has searched high mountains village, remote monasteries and forgotten texts to uncover their timeless secrets.

Today his works have left such paradigm shattering books as, The Isaiah Effect, The God Code, The Divine Matrix, and the Spontaneous Healing of Belief, which was released last year. It is about shattering the paradigm of false limits.

Gregg’s works are now published in 17 languages in 27 countries and shows us beyond any reasonable doubt that the key to our future lies in the wisdom of our past.

He continues that with Fractal Time. The Secret of 2012. A New World Age.

Gregg merges the Modern discovery of nature’s pattern, fractals, with the ancient view of the universe. The result is a powerful model of time, fractal time. And a realistic time window into what we can expect from our lives, and for the world as we approach 2012. The end of the current world age and beyond.

We have an opportunity to choose our future. Can we create a new epoch of peace, cooperation and healing? Is definitely the questions we are going to explore tonight.

Gregg thanks everyone listening/reading and tells us why:

I want to thank every single person that is on this call tonight. I want to let you to know how much I love you and I love all that you’ve done with in your world and your lives to bring us to this point where we on this planet today. And these calls are so important because this is where change begins.

It takes 5 to 8 years for new ideas to trickle down through the classroom and become accepted broadly in academy and the kind of changes that we are talking right now are happening so quickly, 5-8 years later its all over. We have this rare precious beautiful opportunity hour tonight to cut right to the bottom to myths a lot of misunderstandings about our time in history, great cycles of time and the opportunities that are available to ever to every one of us to literally to cast a vote of consciousness in terms of where we are going and how this time in history, this rare pivotal moments we are all feelings, right now in our lives. How this turn out because everyone of the ancients traditions says we are writing our the ending in this chapter in our history while we are being given the challenges and no body knows how its going to come out. We are choosing it so Jennifer I want to thank you and say those things as we go into our program tonight.

What’s the big deal with 2012? They said well you know, its a special, mystical year. And I thought why not a really cool even rounded number like 2000 you know or 2020. Why 2012? And of course back in the 80’s 2012 seemed like a life time in the future.

And I began a journey to understand what that date meant to me. I quickly understood and discovered that the only way that that date to make sense was if I began to understand huge cycles of time and how Earths relationship to other heavenly bodies changes within those cycles of time, and how those changes brings profound changes to the physical reality of planet Earth and the people that are living during those periods of time.

It’s a journey that continues, it’s been 22 years in the making the book Fractal Time Secret of 2012 The New World Age, is what I knew when this book was written in 2007 and 2008 and it all centers around our relationship to these powerful bodies of energy in the heavens and how we go through these cyclic changes in our lives.

The bottom line for me, is that I discovered that Earth does go through cyclic changes and each time the cycles occurs, the conditions for each new cycle are very similar, not identical, but they are similar to the conditions that have already happened in the past. And what that told me was that whatever was going to happen on this 2012 date, the mystical end date of the last cycle of the Mayan calendar. Whatever is going to happen on that date; or in that zone of time, maybe not on that specific day, to some degree has happened in the past and if we know how to read the cycles of time, if we know how to look in the past we can give ourselves some really concrete ideas. Factual ideas based on factual discoveries of what we can expect.

Because for many people and as I travel the world I am finding this and I am sure that many of our listeners are finding the same thing, we are speaking to the choir tonight, and I will call the listeners the choir because we talk about this stuff all the time. But what I am finding is that many don’t talk about this all the time.

And the first insight that they are having into the mystery of 2012 are though the very frightening documentaries that are being carried on the on cable channels and if they missed those, there is a Hollywood, full length motion picture complete with very frightening special effects that’s going to be released the end of 2009 simply called 2012, and all of these very frightening images are portraying, literally portraying the end of the world as we know it now. And there are survival groups throughout the world in North America, Europe, and Australia who have already gone into bunkers and taken provisions because they believe the end is close to what is interpreted as the end of the world.

So in the 80’s when I would ask people, Id say, “What does this date mean to you”, for every person I asked I got a different idea. For some said the end of the world and others literally said the beginning of 1000 years of peace and they couldn’t wait for it to get here. I knew it probably wasn’t going to be both, so my man brain wanted to know which is it and how could I make sense of it, and that is what led me on the journey to what we are discussing tonight.

Can I share just 3 discoveries that modern science has made in the last few years that link us into the ancient wisdom and traditions of this date?

One of the things I found quickly was that almost universally. Ancient texts have always talked about our time in history They always said something big was going to happen Those traditions are generally- they lived very close to the earth they are not technological traditions. So they left clues and signs in terms of how we would know when this pivotal point was arriving. They left those clues in terms of signs of nature. So for example when a white Buffalo is born on the plains of North America or when the seasons change and you can’t grow corn in Nebraska in the middle of August any more you know, or a blue star appears in the sky. Those are very cool signs and they are meaningful but to a scientist it makes them crazy because they can’t do anything definitive with such a generalized sign. They’re open to speculation.

We quickly found that the Mayans however, the ancient Mayans, were the only civilization that we know of so far, there could be others, we have not found those yet to the best of my knowledge; That developed a system of time keeping that was so accurate and it is based in numbers that link to verifiable phenomena. The numbers link to things that we can confirm in the heavens. Alignments between planets and star systems. The solstice, the winter solstice of December 21 of 2012 that marks the end of this great cycle that we are experiencing right now.

The Mayans used these numbers and they are more precise than anything we developed until the 20th century with computers and satellites. We could probably in the future Jennifer At some point we could have –How did they know? Who were they? Where did they come from? Where did they get that information? They left a legacy. And they began a count down shows that we are living a moment in time that only 5 generations in recorded human history has ever experienced. Only 5 generations. And the last human that walked the earth and experience what we are about to experience now in this great cycle, lived 1700 years before the biblical Exodus from Egypt. That’s how long ago it was this happened. And this is important to know because, probably, no one living today has a direct memory of the last time we went through this cycle. I don’t think there are any 5000 year old people. You never know. I’m on a 200 year plan, that’s as far as I am looking right now. But we now know is we are coming to the end of a rare cycle that is marked by verifiable phenomena. This cycle began in 3114 BC. It ends with the winter solstice, December 21, 2012 AD. a cycle that is 5125 years long. This cycle is the 5th of 5 such cycles that make an even bigger cycle that is about 26,000 years long called the Pre-cession, not procession, the precession of the equinoxes. And this 26000 year cycle, is the cycle that describes a wobble that earth does in the heaves. A long slow wobble, from one side to another, and as Earth wobbles over this 26,000 year period, what happens is, if you sitting on planet earth and you are looking at the stars, the scenery changes over that 26000 because earth tilt. Earths wobble is changing.

Somehow the Mayans knew this. They knew that we were at the end of not only a not 5000 year cycle but at the last of a 26000 year cycle. We are about to live in this rare moment both the close of a 5000, as well as the close of the 26000 year cycle. So when I began to understand that I thought, so what’s the big deal? Why is this important? This is where these discoveries that I mentioned come in. Because Modern science in the last few years has confirmed in the last few years what the ancients were telling us in non scientific language.

Number 1 is that there is a powerful source of energy at the very center, at the core, the hub of our Milky Way Galaxy. A powerful source of magnetic energy. Some ancients traditions called it the Great Central Sun. And that source of energy has a powerful influence on life on planet earth. That’s the first discovery. Maybe to earth to us intuitively we have always known that. But this is modern science in peer review journals.

This is discovery number 1. Source of energy influences earth

Number 2: Is that the effect of those energy change on a cyclic basis over a long periods of time and that’s a big discovery for modern science.

Number 3 That those cycles can be measured and calculated and predicted.

And those 3 discoveries give new meaning to what our ancestors were saying to us. And it makes total sense. When we are at one point in our orbit in the Milky Way around this source of energy we are further away and the wobble tilts us away from this energy source so it affects us less.

Where we are right now is that we are relatively closer. We are tilting toward the energy source. And Dec 21 in the year 2012 marks the point in the tilt where we are in direct alignment. We’ve got a Straight shot. Unimpeded access to the energy of the Of the magnetic fields that are coming from that source to planet earth.

In the past what we know, geologically that this field of energy has brought big changes upon Earth. But they don’t happen in a day. We are talking huge systems. We are talking about solar systems and galaxies of planets and as they come into that alignment-it doesn’t happen in a day. It happens over long periods of time. And the reason I am saying this is because we are already well into the 2012 zone of change.

And we are already experiencing some of the most profound changes. And the frightening ones that the prophecies have always talked about. So rather than waiting for those things and fearing them coming 3 years from now. This is 2009. What we know is that we are already living some of the major magnitude earthquakes more of them that we have seen in recorded history And we have already seen tsunamis that are wiping cities off the shore line. And super storms that are taking cities and villages from the coast. We are already living multiple raging fires that we can not control on different continents at the same time. We are already living millions of people dying from disease we have no cure for. We are already living the changes in the weather patterns that prevent us from growing food like we used to.

And we all know that is not the only things that are happening. There are a lot of really good things happening on our planet right now. So instead of focusing on the frightening things they say are going to happen to me it helps to bear in mind that we are already seeing many of those things already.

Before we get off this call tonight, I’m going to share yet 2 more discoveries that tell how each of us how we are directly linked into the field of energy that regulates the conditions of life on earth and we are linked in a way that allows us to do something inside of our hearts that literally helps to smooth the chaos of this field of energy. And the only way that we can accomplish this is if we work together. That’s where we are going to go with our program tonight. So that was a long question t a short question with a lto of material. But I wanted to do it early.

What I began to understand was this: These cycles of time, this isn’t the first time earth has gone through one of these cycles. And before I worked at the defense industry as a computer science, I was a geologist as a computer scientist or a computer scientist working in the field of geology.

And what that told, is that we have places on this planet where earth has a preserved a library, a record of the history of every year on this planet, at least for the last 500,000 years and one of these places is the ice cores or the ice caps in Antarctica.

Every year there is new layer of ice that’s deposited. And with that ice it captures air bubbles of the atmosphere and it captures literally the chemical elements that are present in the air during that period of time. From that we can learn about how strong earths magnetic fields were the year those things were captured. We can learn what were the temperatures on the planet. Were the sea levels high or were the sea levels low? Were the ice caps melting or were they freezing? Did the sun have a strong influence or a weak influence? We can learn all those things geologically. And we can do that to 500000 years ago.

Now for humans, we haven’t had big civilizations, we believe, for 500,000 years so we look into archeological records. And We can go back in the archeological records 10-15000 years and say how were people responding to these changes. What do we know about those civilizations? And that’s what I’ve done in the book. We talk about cycles of time in general and Fractal time. And the key with fractal time is if you know where to look in the past. You have a good understanding of what you can expect in the present and the future. And with that in mind, we’ve Applied these principals specifically to 2012 and that is what you and I are talking about tonight. I know this is a bottom line audience tonight. So I am going to cut right to the bottom line. Because our time is really flying. Our fractal time is flying tonight.

So we find that if we go into these records and we know where to look we know what to expect. And using the rhythms and the patterns of nature that govern life and time we can do some very Simple mathematics I describe it in the book and I know a lot of people are not into math in the book so I put it all in the appendices but some people don’t want to do the appendices so we’ve actually automated a way for you to do these calculations for your own called the Time Code Calculator. We’ll talk about that more in a minute. Using the algorhythym and simple math and the time code calculator what we know is if we look at the key dates in past, and we talk about cycles, these dates are called seeds- s-e-e-d. So a seed, is a date where an event that occurred that put into motion a pattern of energy that will repeat following natural rhythms throughout time until something changes that cycle.

Jennifer: And we can read about this in the archeological and the physical data base of the earth.

Gregg: We can and what’s more is we can see it in our personal lives. Because our personal cycles of love, trust, hurt, and betrayal and success, and abundance. They all began with a seed event that leaves a strong emotional imprint. That puts into motion a cycle that will repeat in our personal lives until something changes it and you can calculate that using the calculator as well. We will talk about that in a couple minutes.


But the bottom line for what we can expect. When I went back and looked at the ice cores for Antarctica, I looked at 2 dates. One of them is 1155 BC is one of the first seed dates. The other was 13824 BC was the second seed date. How we got to those are described in the book and the calculations.

Those dates using natural rhythms are the seeds that put into motion the events that we can expect to experience in the year 2012 and around that zone time. And What makes it so interesting, is when I look at the magnetic field of the earth, the earths magnetic strengths. Earth magnetic fields, you can think of those as the buffer or the blanket that protects us from solar radiation, from solar wind and the high energy particles in the cosmos that are coming our way. Its like a big warm fuzzy blanket that takes good care of us.

So what we know is that this blanket protects us, when we go through these cycles because of the tilt of the earth and where we are, the blanket becomes a little weaker and as the blanket is weaker and if the blanket get weaker, we have greater influences from these sources of energy. So what we find is that in both of our seed dates, both 1155 BC and 1324 BC; the magnetic fields of the earth became weaker, just like they have become in the last 130 years now that we know. Our magnetic fields are weaker now than they have been in 2000 years. But don’t worry because they are still really, really strong, they are just weaker than they have been in past times.

And we know that when they get weaker it allows more solar energy to penetrate on to the Earth which is exactly what is happening right now. And it happened in both 1155BC and 1324 BC. When that occurs the oceans heats up a little bit. The atmosphere heats up a little bit. Which is precisely what we are experiencing right now. And that warming is usually between 1 and 2 degrees Celsius. Which is right where we are right now.

And when that happens, the ice on both poles begins to melt and that ice is holding a lot of water, the water has to go somewhere, it goes into the oceans. The sea level begins to rise and the cold water changes the temperature in the oceans and that changes climate which begins to change weather patterns and all of a sudden you can’t grow corn in Nebraska maybe in August the way you have done in the past.

So when we look at these parameters; We just covered, magnetic strengths, solar output, climate status and ice. We just covered all of those. When we look at the past at the key dates for the year 2012, what we find is that although earth has definitely gone through a dramatic shift in the last 130 years or so, that that shift has brought us precisely into alignment with where it appears we always are when we reach this point in the cycle.

And now it is important to see how civilizations in the past have responded to the changes in their world that we are finding in ours to see if they made mistakes then that we can recognize and avoid in making in our time right now.

For me this is what begins to tell the story.

First of all when we go back 13824 BC we didn’t have any big civilizations then. So the one I'm going to look at first in our program tonight 1155BC. If there are any historians on this call tonight, you know this date. It’s the exact date the calculator gave us, based on the year 2012, using the rhythms of nature. It also is the exact date that one of the greatest civilizations on the face of the earth in the history of our world collapsed when they faced the same kinds of challenges then that we are facing in our cycle now. They didn’t understand why the changes were happening. And in their fear, the way they responded to the changes led to the end of a great civilization.

So what happened was the climate changed because of where they were in the cycle. They couldn’t grow food the same way. They began fighting with their neighbors and they entered into multiple wars. Multiple wars with different countries that spread their armies so thin they couldn’t maintain these wars. And the economy was stretched so much, that the economy collapsed. They went broke trying to sustain the wars. Trying to gather the diminishing resources from a changing world. And they collapsed and that was the end of one of the greatest dynasties, and greatest superpowers that time on the face of the earth.

Now archeologically, Jennifer this is really interesting, archeologists now are finding remnants of highly advanced civilizations, that go further back history says we should have advanced civilizations. And interestingly enough, they are finding them, and they are correlating those dates with the cycle before Egypt collapsed, the time before that. And these particular remnants are being found in an area. A very interesting area, between what is now Pakistan and India, on what is called the Ragestan plains. And I’ve talked about this in some other books. Highly advanced civilization; hot/cold running water, closed sewage systems, glass windows, a system of writing that to this date, no one has ever translated. So if anyone listening tonight wants some homework, there is a language that has never been decoded that very probably tells us what happened to them, so maybe we can avoid the mistakes in our time. But even if we never understand the cycles are giving us insight. Because they collapsed in what appears to be a war time setting, and this is what archeologists are saying that occurred when their cycle brought about a change in their world.

So what were seeing, and the parallels Jennifer are striking. You look at what’s happening, and I am not saying they are the same, but look at what’s happening in our world right now. We are engaged in multiple wars and a lot of them are over resources that are simply not sustainable resources. World economies are going broke in part, trying to sustain the military and the weapons development and all of the energy it takes to maintain those kinds of wars. And we are in precisely in alignment with the physical conditions. The magnetic fields of the earth right now are measured at a unit of about 7.5 on a scale that’s called a VDAM scale. Historically the magnetic fields of the earth have fallen to between 5 and a quarter and 10 and a half when we go through these cycles. 7.5 puts us right in line.

So for me, what this says to me, is that although the changes are intense and they appear abrupt to us, when you look at the big picture we are right in line with where we always are when we go through these changes. And I am less concerned about the natural phenomenon. I think we will get through those just fine.

What concerns me is the lesson these past civilizations apparently have not learned. And it’s about how we treat one another as a family on this planet when we go through the greatest challenges in 5000 years.

And this is the question we are posing to our audiences. This is our opportunity. And here is what I believe, I believe is happening. I think if we as a planet, if we can recognize that working together to get through this intense but brief period of change; If we can do this now because we need one another and we need to, to get through it, to survive, if we can do it now, I think we are going to find is that we like working together. And that we will continue to do it as a way of life, because we are better people. And we create a better world. Even when we are no longer challenged with the conditions of a great cycle. And I think this may be the gift of our 2012 window of opportunity, the conditions that come with the end of this great world age cycle are pushing us to evaluate what it is that works and what’s sustainable, what doesn’t work, what’s not sustainable and how we can work together to get all of us through this little, this narrow window of time. And the things that are not sustainable, the things that don’t work, stop doing them. Don’t put more energy into them. And the things that do work, lets do more of them.

And I think one of the greatest opportunities we have, physicists look at a little moment in time between cycles. When one cycle ends and the next begins, there is a little time that physicists call a “choice point.” For example the inhale and the exhale that all of are taking right now, there is a place between where neither one of those exists. In the esoteric tradition that is powerful moment where all possibilities lives. And if we think about this 2012, 5000 year window of time, then when that cycle ends by definition we begin a new cycle. But there is a place between where neither exists. And it is at that point where our choices are more potent than at any other time in the cycle. And that is where we may choose.

We look at all the frightening things that may happen and that’s when we may choose to walk away from that way of life to say that we choose as a planet to outgrow the habit of war to solve our problems, we choose to outgrow the use of nuclear weapons on civilian population for example. When we choose to stop basing our economy on something that is not sustainable, ever expanding markets and people profiting only through other peoples loss. That is the way our economy works now. That’s not sustainable.

So I think what we’re seeing consciously or not, Jennifer, I think we are seeing is a global evaluation. And I'm not saying everyone is aware of why it’s happening. But the conditions of the earth are forcing this reevaluation. When the weather changed and we started the food shortages, that’s what triggered a lot of the shift we’re seeing now and the greed that’s not sustainable. Surfaced very quickly. And I think that is what we are seeing now.

The Mayans said something very similar to this in another terminology. They didn’t know what our world would like 2000 years ago. But they said that this cycle has been akin to what they would call a gestation cycle and that we are like an embryo in the womb of our mother. And at the end of this 5000 year cycle the gestation is over and we are birthed into a new way of being. They didn’t say it’s the end of the world. It’s the end of a world age. And in this new way of being they said were probably not going to recognize the world or yourselves because the changes and the challenges have forced us to shift the way we live our lives. But I think we are better people and we have a better world because of it. I believe the value of the 2012 window of opportunity. A choice point created by natural phenomenon and by understanding cycles of time. We’re now giving ourselves the gift of looking into the past to know what we can realistically expect. And based on that we can learn from the past and do the things that make sense to do as we move into this new way of being. And for all tense and purposes, its already happening. We are already well into the shift. And I think that is the opportunity that we’re looking at right now. I know that was long, I just wanted to cover all of that before we got to questions.

Jennifer: It’s not long at all. But there is something you have talked about in all of your books. You have shown us that if we change our live, our beliefs, our thoughts, we can change our body, And ultimately can change the universe. The elements of earth are the same elements of our body. That’s part of this choice point, is that its part of the opportunity is for us as individuals to contribute to not being over whelmed with this, to not to be thrown into fear with this. And with that fear can create cataclysms in many ways.
Gregg: You said that beautifully. The answer is absolutely. But this leads us to the last little piece that I know we are going to have questions, and some other discussions. But at the very beginning I promised, I said there was a third piece that I wanted to touch on before the end of our evening. And that is yet another new discovery. And this is the reason I emphasize the role of the magnetic fields in the earth in these changes. The magnetic fields of the earth link all life. Even things that are not alive. Everything from an atom, to a molecule, to the DNA of a blade of grass, and hamsters and gold fish, and dogs and cats and people and stars. We are all linked through these very powerful fields of magnetics. And the magnetic fields, the geomagnetic fields of the earth, when they rise and fall they regulate the way life happens on our planet right now. They are actually looking right now, there is a new peer reviewed research article in the prestigious journal Nature. I have a link, we talk about in the book and there is also a link is on the website. That is now linking the rise and fall of dinosaurs, the 65 Million year cycle to these magnetic fields of the earth and our relationship to the energy source at the center of the Milky Way. So we’re looking at cycles within cycles within cycles.

Here is why that is important.

I’ll just tell a quick story. September 11, 2001. 9/11. We had a satellite in the northern hemisphere and one in the southern hemisphere. They are there today. They are called GOES; Geo Synchronis Orbital something Satellites. Their sole job is to send back a reading to the computers on the earth every 30 minutes of how strong the magnetic fields of the earth really are. And you know, the earths magnetic field, they earth ebbs and flow at reasonable rates through out the day. 9/11 scientists saw a big glitch; a big jump in the magnetic fields of the earth from both satellites; the northern and southern hemisphere. We show this in the live program and I’ll give you a link in a minute. We can look at it on the web site.

And their question was what in the world happened on earth? What could possibly happen on earth that could influence the magnetic fields of the entire planet to such a degree that the satellites 22,000 miles above the surface of the earth are picking this up? What is happening?

And when they realized it was the collective emotion of 6 billion people on the planet in response to the tragedy of 9/11, this is a big deal in the realm of science. Because it means that somehow we are intimately connected to the very fields of the earth that sustains life on the earth.

Not metaphorically, not figuratively. This is a real concrete tangible link. This led to a series of studies and research projects. The bottom line is the link is created through the magnetic field of the human heart. Each of us, everyone listening right now, your heart was built, it was designed, and from the first moment you took your first breath on this planet, you have been engaged in a conversation with the very fields of this planet that sustains all life, even if you didn’t know you were having a conversation. And what the research now has shown is when we create very concise qualities of emotion in our heart, not in our mind; we have to get out of our heads to do this. But when we create very concise qualities of emotion in our hearts we set up what is called an experience of coherence. And we talked about this a little bit in the last program. If you are a scientist coherence is something you can measure electrically at 0.10 cycles per second, 0.10 hertz. Between the heart and the brain. And we are learning now to create the right kinds of emotions so that we have that coherence in our bodies. That is just good for us. When we do we think better, we are healthier, our anti aging hormones kick in, we have very strong immune systems. It’s just a good way to live.

But what the studies are showing, Jennifer, and this is what brings it back to the first 5 minutes of our conversation. Is that when many people get together and create a collective field of coherence that we couple with the very field of the earth that is undergoing the greatest change, that holds the greatest threat to the way we live our lives. And by simply living from a heart based perspective, emotions, like care, like gratitude, like appreciation, very precise techniques that will help us get to that place; we literally can smooth out the rough edges of the chaos, of what is called stress waves. Stephen Lewis I think this is what he was referring to. The stress waves that are rippling through the conscious field of earth as people respond to so much change, they can’t even keep up with it. But now we know that coherence is the key to sustaining life within our bodies. And also literally it gives every one of us direct access to the filed, the very field that is affected most by this cyclic change. And it’s the same field that sustains life on this planet.

And I think it is no accident, Jennifer, that only now at the end of this cycle, when the experts tell us we are faced with the greatest threats and challenges that human kind has ever faced. 5000 years of history. The greatest number of challenges and the greatest magnitude of challenges. That at the same time we are learning the language of the human heart that allows us to communicate with the fields that are going through the change.

And for the first time we have a science based initiative called Global Coherence Initiative, GCI, that is linking people in a family, in a community, not unlike the community we have with us tonight. And for people that would like to know more about this, I'm going to encourage you, it’s all free. If you go to my web site greggbraden.com. The middle of the home page is a link. It says click here to learn about Global Coherence. It will give you a slide show, and it gives you the opportunity, you can do everything from passively watching this project and I’ll describe it in a minute; to actually becoming a member of the community that is learning to create this coherence and part of the webinars and part of the experiments that are happening. Even one step further, becoming trained yourself so you can train other people in sharing the gift of coherence in our lives.

Jennifer: Well you know what’s interesting is that the guest next week on the show is Eric Pearl. Who talks about the fields quite a bit, and he talks about your material and Howard Martin.

Gregg: Vice President of this division of Heart Math, the Heart Math Institute- HEARTMATH all one word- They are the pioneers in exploring heart based technologies. They are the ones heading up this non profit project. And for transparency, I am both on the steering committee as well as the advisory board for this project because I believe so strongly in it. Howard will be a guest I think it’s in early April.

And it’s a 2 tier project. 2 layer project. One layer Jennifer, that is just fascinating to me is they’ve learned to build the sensors that can actually read these magnetic fields and put the images day by day on the web site so we can see with our own eyes how these magnetic fields shift in response to collective changes and emotions. Now that is fascinating in itself.

The second tier are the training programs and the ways to come together as a community to share this coherence and to positively affect our transition in our time in history. And the beauty is we don’t have to change anything we do. We’re not changing anything you pray or meditate or what you believe. You don’t have to follow a practice.

Its just about learning to do what you’re already doing from a heart based rather than a brain based perspective and that is the big hurdle for a lot of people.

So that’s all. We covered a lot of ground and that’s the closure, the completion of why this 2012 window is so powerful. It’s a choice point. And now we have the language to choose. And it’s the language of our most ancient and cherished spiritual traditions based on the heart. What a beautiful symmetry.

The thing is there are a lot of people on this planet. We all think differently. We all learn differently.

Gregg: And that’s the beauty of so many different traditions if we can get past judging one is right or wrong from the other one and embrace the wisdom they all bring to the table. What we find is that for 5000 in one way or another we have all been preparing for a moment in time that we are going to live in this generation. The close of a great world age. Not the end of the world, but the end of a world age. And by definition because it’s a cycle, the end of anything is the beginning of what comes next. And we can just as easily say we are giving birth to a sixth world age. We are giving birth to a new 5125 year long cycle.

I am not sugar coating this. I am not saying this is a bed of roses or we don’t have challenges and people aren’t suffering.

But I am saying that I believe... This is almost like a really, very cool science fiction narrative.

Where people on the world began a journey so long ago that no one living today even remembers the beginning of the journey or even why we are on the journey.

And its in the last moments of the journey, when the greatest threats to our survival as individuals, our way of life, our civilization and our planet; when the greatest threats show up we discover the way to successfully complete our journey is to embrace the great gift that we had all along and that is the gift of the language of the heart that speaks to the systems that are going through the change. Isn’t that beautiful?

one of the new discoveries is that the human heart literally has its own brain like tissue. Neuro tissue in the heart. And please everyone, Howard Martin is worth spending an evening of your time listening to. He is funny, he is a brilliant man. He has a beautiful heart. And he will talk about what is called heart intelligence. Heart intelligence is when we get out of our mind in the presence of the great decision and choices we have to make and go into this neural center in our heart. And its kind of like a muscle that maybe you are not used to using. Some are very used to it. So some are saying, “what’s the big deal?” And others are saying, “huh?”

But when we use it a few times, its becomes almost second nature. It’s like remembering something we forgot a long time ago. And it’s this heart based intelligence that I believe is the basis for a successful civilization. And if we are going to learn from the mistakes of our past, and these were very successful, powerful civilizations. Jennifer, they have even found electrical wires in clay tubes running underground and batteries that could hold a current. So we think they may even have had electricity used for lighting, we don’t know. They had highly advanced architecture, mathematics, they had all these things, but had they evolved to a point where it made sense for humans to cooperate and work together through the greatest challenges and are we making that mistake now. This is the choice that we are all making.

Jennifer: Yeah, that’s the question I have for you. From your perspective, have we reached that critical mass? Have we reached that point? I think you’ve talked in other places, I’ve heard you talk about how we avoided some of the destruction of the darkness and so I’d love to hear examples of that and also does there need to be a critical mass? Are we there yet?

Gregg: I'm going to answer these in reverse. The whole idea of critical mass, we are actually rewriting the rules for how we deal with the challenges of our time. And the way we are rewriting them, Jennifer, a lot of people say they do not like what is happening in the world so they are going to fight what is happening in the world. When we choose with the heart, we are not fighting a system that exists, we’re saying, “that system is there”, you know, “god bless it. We are choosing another way of being and there is a huge HUGE energetic advantage to choose a way of being instead of resisting what is already in place. And when we make those choices… Are there any Star Trek fans?

Jennifer: I am!

Gregg: Ok, then maybe you know this. In one of the early episodes in the Star Trek academy, there was a puzzle that every star ship person, any of the officers had to solve this problem.

Jennifer: They failed.

Gregg: the unsolvable problem. And I thin it was Kirk. Was it Kirk or was it…?

Jennifer: Yes it was Kirk. It was Kirk.

Gregg: The only way he solved it, you couldn’t solve the problem. He rewrote the rules to define...

Jennifer: He cheated! (laughter)

Gregg: We are rewriting the rules.

Jennifer: Got it.

Gregg: In this polarity world, if we are going to fight the things; and you know at the 3 dimensional level sometimes it makes sense to fight, but what I'm saying is now we are looking at a new way of being with consciousness. We are moving beyond battling, guys bumping chests and governments and civilizations. We are now going to source of the energy and a powerful choice is different from aggressive resistance. And I think this is one of the things we are learning. When people choose with the heart, and this is why I am answering the question this way, then the old linear hundred monkey idea no longer applies. You no longer need to have a certain number of people. What happens is, a relatively few people, who clearly concisely speak with the language of the heart, that field is experienced by many. And not everyone of the 6 billion people on the earth have to make a choice to benefit. And in all honesty this is why I began the program, thanking you and thanking our listeners. Because there are a lot of people tonight that simply do not have the luxury to sit by a phone or computer to sit and do what we are doing. They are too busy trying to live until tomorrow. They are just trying to get through to the end of the day. That’s us. That’s our family. And by us, we are all working together by us learning and embracing the gift of life and the power of heart based language on the planet right now. When we, a relatively few number of people learn to do that really well, everyone benefits, because there is no them and us. And we talk about people in government making those choices, those people are there because we empowered them to be there. There is no them and us. There is a we. They are plugged into the same fields we are. And they feel the ripple effect and the stress waves, and the coherence that we create. And we never have to say a word. You dont have to make a big deal about it saying, “Hey. We’re going to smooth out the coherence of the planet.” We don’t have to do that.

Jennifer: We don’t have to march on Washington as the Coherence Alliance.

Gregg: No but its fun. Its fun to do that.

Jennifer: Yea.

Gregg: Its subtle and its powerful. And this is the irony of our time in history or learning that we are actually part of the fields that are going to change. When we live in that heart centered way, cooperation makes a lot of sense.

For example. Right now. A lot of people do not know this because the economy is over shadowing it. The United States government, right now Congress is determining whether or not to aprocreate hundreds of billions of dollars to refurbish our nuclear arsenal. Because the triggers were built in the 50 and 60’s. They deteriorate and get old. That’s a lot of money.

There was a time in our history, where the world was so insane that maybe it made sense to have that arsenal. But there is also a time right now where just possibly, if we walk away from the expenditures for those weapons and set an example for the rest of the world and said, “We’re living a rare moment of crisis on this plane. Lets take this money and help one another. And other countries then didn’t feel threatened and do the same thing. That could just possibly set the template for a beautiful level of cooperation on this planet that we haven’t seen, if ever for a very long time.


Jennifer: Do you think that’s possible Gregg?

Gregg: I am so encouraged by what I see. I don’t know why. I think we are taking a rough road to a better world. I really believe that. Why we took this long hard route that caused so much suffering and why we all had to hurt in our lives. Every person listening tonight, everyone of you, the only way you could be here is to have a lot of hurt in your life. Because the world we are living in, is a world that hasn’t made sense to us and I know all of you have been through it in one way or another. Economically, in personal relationships, financially, we have all lost people and things that we love and hold dear. Why? What’s that all about? Why have we gone through all of that? I don’t have the answer for that. But what I do know, is that we are here for much more than to see this planet and our species perish from 3 years from now. We have the power, we have the technology, and I think we are actually all really good people. And when you see us doing things that don’t make any sense I think that it comes from a place of hurt.

Jennifer: Yes. I agree. I completely agree.

Gregg: You know there was a study that was done, 400 studies were done after 9/11 to find out if humans are inherently a violent species. In all 400 studies came back with the same answer. That we are actually a peaceful, peace loving species. However there are 3 conditions that we will betray our true nature of peace and we will become violent. Those three conditions are when we feel personally threatened; when we feel that our families are threatened; or when we feel that our way of life is threatened. And you look at the conditions in the world where the greatest terror is occurring, and all three of those conditions apply to those people. I am not justifying it. I am not condoning it. I'm not saying it is the reason these things are happening. But what I am saying is if people are looking for a way to make sense out of the senseless, we might begin looking at how to help one another feel safe personally, feel safe for our families and feel whatever our little way of life is, that we can preserve that personally while we work together collectively for a new way to live on this planet.

Jennifer: I have this wonderful community of people. The people that seem to be attracted to this community seem to have that kind of an energy. And would just I ask of them to even take it that much further. And kind of look at the people within the community, look at the speakers. Look at me even, as someone who is holding an intention of honor, or integrity, of support of love. And I think, I sometimes get some pretty wild emails from people, I'm sure you do too Gregg.

Gregg: Yea

Jennifer: Where people immediately assume that you’re trying to do them harm. And I know that that comes from a place of hurt. And I know the work I do with people it comes from a place with trauma- usually.

And I think there is an opportunity for us, everyone on this call right in this moment to make a little agreement with ourselves. I have to do this for myself too. I have those moments myself. Where we get to make an agreement with ourselves that I'm going to give someone the benefit of the doubt until the doubt has been removed. There are still people out there who aren’t necessarily in a place that can offer that to us.

Gregg: People come to me and say it can’t be that easy. It has got to be more than what we’re talking about. What I know is this. We have learned a way of being that has served us so well that it got us to the point where we are right now.

Jennifer: Right. It protected us in many ways.

Gregg: Exactly. And it made sense. And at the same time for that to go away, you cant simple stop one way of being in an instant and say, “now what do we do?” And figure out a new way.

The new way has to develop while the old way is in place. There has to be that overlap. And then when the old way falls away, the new structure is already in place. And this is why we have people on this planet, God bless them, are doing both.

Our military is buying us precious time, precious time of a relatively peaceful world. It could be a lot worse. Do we have the wisdom to know what to do with that peace? When we choose that peace in our lives, their job become obsolete. And this is what we’re working for. In that way I think we’re all working together doing the only thing we know how to do to build a better world and become good people.

Jennifer: So Theresa asked a question. And I know that other people are kind feeling this too on this call. Can one person really really make a difference? If so, what then can I do to make a positive shift for the greater whole?

Gregg: I want to say absolutely one person can make a difference. One person clearly, cleanly embodying these principals in their everyday sphere of life; and you don’t have to broadcast you’re doing it. You don’t have to go around with a big badge saying, “I'm living a new way.” Just by example I’ve seen this happen. I’ve seen one person do this in a corporate board room. And other people in that board room responded to the way this one person was solving problems and from that corporation, other corporations like the United Nations were influenced. And the decisions were made all based on changes that happened in one meeting in one day from one person choosing to work cooperatively and to come from a heart centered solution rather than bumping chest, yelling and saying the kinds of things that people say when they are angry. One person, one person did that. I’ve seen that happen.

Jennifer: And it doesn’t have to be the CEO in a board room.

Gregg: It wasn’t a CEO. It actually was an advisor that the CEO had asked to come in to help. And this was in the defense industry.

Jennifer: In the defense industry?

Gregg: Yup. During the cold war years. And most of the people in the board room were retired military. Most of them were male. Most of them had learned to solve problems by yelling, pounding fists, and with brute force. That was just their path.

And I saw someone come in that had a completely different approach. Didn’t announce it. Didn’t broadcast it. Just began solving the problem differently. And everyone responded unconsciously.

It’s kind of like you could be driving to church with your friends on a Sunday morning listening to the oldies and really rocking out on the road. And the minute you step into that church, there is a different vibe going on in that room. And everyone responds. The people in you’re group. 5 seconds ago you were rocking to the oldies and now you have gone within and you’ve become in a very different space. It’s unconscious. And that’s the way it works in a board room. I'm just using that as an example.

Jennifer: Yea, No. It is a perfect example. And so every singly person on this call, if you come from a heart centered place and practice the principals that pretty much every speaker is talking about.

Gregg: The thing with heart math is they are giving us modern techniques that are verifiable. There are feed back mechanisms that Howard will talk about that tell us, we don’t have to guess when we are incoherent.

Jennifer: Yes. I got the EM wave. I got it right after our last call.

Gregg: Absolutely. This is what makes it different. For the first time. I mean everybody here has probably been involved in these calls where they say on noon on Saturday go into your heart and feel peace in the Middle East. And we all do it. And it probably helps.

But realistically, we don’t know when we are incoherent. So we don’t know how many of us are moving into coherence. The beauty of what heart math has pioneered, is we now have the technology that can be loaded into your lap top or a little device the size of your cell phone that tells us with no question when we are incoherent and then we know what feeling it takes to make that happen. I'm not a big gadget person. Give that gadget to somebody else.

Jennifer: Well, yea. It trains you to feel what it is like to be coherent.

Gregg: First of all, are we on a hard stop? Can we go longer?

Jennifer: We can go just a few minutes longer, at least 5 minutes.

Gregg: Here is a true story and I talked about it in the book. This is the scnyronicity of the universe putting all these things together because the players never knew what was happening.

It was the closest that we ever came to a nuclear exchange between the 2 super powers. And I'm going to share a story that we didn’t even know about until the end of the cold war when the Russians, former Soviet Union, declassified their documents.

1983 cold war was raging and there was civilian airliner, that straight off coarse about 200 miles over Russia was shot down by the Russia military mistakenly. They thought it was a spy plane. 265 civilians including a United States Congressman were on that plane. Lawrence McDonald. And they were all killed. And in the paranoia of the cold war, the Soviet Union thought we would interpret that as an act of war and we would attack them. And in that paranoid thinking they said, “Ah. We’ll beat them to the punch and surprise and attack them first.”

It was the closest that we ever came to being surprised by nuclear attack from another power. And if it had happened, it would have been a surprise because we didn’t even know they were planning it.

Now, here is the flip side. And somewhere in heaven got to be looking down and shaking their heads saying, “Look at these people on Earth. What are they doing?” Because it happens that precisely during this period of time, the largest experiment in human consciousness testing the power of creating peace was unfolding. And this was one of the TM experiments through the Siti techniques; TM Transmittal Meditation experiments. Where they have 7000 people that were crating peace in their bodies using the SITI techniques. And the effects were so profound, statistically that the effects were felt from Australia to Europe, through he United States.

They were measured, they were documented. And it was precisely when we came the closest to having the closest to having that nuclear attack, and it would have been an exchange afterwards, that the experiment happened and for reason that no one has been able to explain cooler heads prevailed and everybody backed off the trigger. And I think it was no accident that we backed away from the trigger precisely the day the experiment was happening. I document this in the book. And I tell people if they want to read more about that where they can.

But I think this is one of the first times we have learned definitively that human consciousness in one place has a powerful and profound effect that is not limited to the place where people haven’t had experience. And the peace was the effect that came from feeling peace. And to me that opens the door to all the possibilities. Isn’t that a cool story?

Jennifer: That is so cool. But someone asked an interesting question. This happens to be the foundation of my work too. It’s not just being positive. Each of us have traumas and negative and unconscious beliefs and I think our goal is to access those -not stick our heads in the positive sand of life reaffirmation. But use the challenges that come up before us. Like this big one is. And the little ones, well they may be big for us as they use up in our life. Use that them to access that more negative content within us to release it, realign it, re-pattern it and let it go so we can find easily and effortlessly more times of coherence. Do you think that’s true?

Gregg: Couldn’t have said it better myself. Absolutely, I think that’s it. But the key, and this is what may be a little differently, is when we move into this heart centered way of living and heart based techniques, many people have been conditioned to believe that it is a relaxation or a letting go or almost of a zoning out. It is just the opposite. It is an active form of concentration. To hold the focus in a precise way where it is useful. At least once go through the techniques with a heart math trainer or Howard will talk to you about this. Don’t miss Howard’s program. I'm going to be turned in for Howard’s program.

Jennifer: Awesome!

Gregg: So it’s a very active form of concentration but it’s a concentration that holds the focus in the human heart.

Jennifer: Right. Oh my goodness. We are absolutely out of time. We are about to get cut off.

For those of you that are interested I have a special link to Gregg’s Book launch on March 17. It’s a really cool site that I think is still up that Hayhouse put together for the book launch. Where you can get all kinds of wonderful gifts from some people who are supporting this whole idea of 2012. It’s a beautiful site too.

www.Healingwiththemasters.com/gregg

And also the email just I sent prior to the show if you click on the link it will take you to that site.

You can buy the book. I think there is a prize with Abraham Hicks too, isn’t there?

Gregg: I have never been on a book launch before. I think yes.

Jennifer: What a delight at always. I know we actually have had moments of coherence on the call. I can feel the energy emanating from this group. Feel your hearts right now everyone and bring that heart energy into your life and everyone you meet. Thank you so much Gregg. What a wonderful program.

Gregg: Jennifer thank you for being such a gracious host. Thank you all of our guests. I want to say God bless everyone. Its not the end of the world, it’s the end of a great world age and what comes next and we are all part of it.